2 basic easy questions to our left wing cjers on here..

[V. Barbarino]

1. Post 5 freedoms you have lost since 9/11... How have they affected you personally.

2. Answer me this, can we have immigration reforms without securing the border??

Love love love to hear your answers on these two easy basic questions..

[pod]

If I stand next to Ralph, I'm guilty by association?

[swirlundergrounder]

I'm all 4 securing the border. If it were up to me. I would build a 30 ft high wall surrounded by trenches with spikes at the bottom of them...

[JMT]

1. when you are forced to take your shoes off at the airport, you might catch a whiff of some other person's smelly feet.

[coach]

I'm sorry, that question is too self-centered for us left-wingers. You conservatives may only be concerned with yourselves, but some of us take a wider view.

[V. Barbarino]

Originally Posted by coach

I'm sorry, that question is too self-centered for us left-wingers. You conservatives may only be concerned with yourselves, but some of us take a wider view.

Insert Spin Smiley Here

PS. I VOTED FOR KERRY SO HOW AM I A CONSERVATIVE?

[swirlundergrounder]

Originally Posted by Barbarino

[quote author=coach link=board=6;threadid=32431;start=0#msg374009 date=1159380585]
I'm sorry, that question is too self-centered for us left-wingers. You conservatives may only be concerned with yourselves, but some of us take a wider view.

Insert Spin Smiley Here

PS. I VOTED FOR KERRY SO HOW AM I A CONSERVATIVE?


[/quote]Did you really vote for Kerry??

[Oni]

Originally Posted by JMT

1. when you are forced to take your shoes off at the airport, you might catch a whiff of some other person's smelly feet.

And be forced to walk on that grimy ass floor. GROSS.

[endymion]

Originally Posted by Barbarino

1. Post 5 freedoms you have lost since 9/11... How have they affected you personally.

The Bush Administration has made more than five "corrections" to our constitutional rights:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, [s]and to petition the government for a redress of grievances[/s].

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against [s]unreasonable searches and seizures[/s], shall not be violated, and [s]no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause[/s], supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, [s]unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury[/s], except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, [s]nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law[/s]; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, [s]the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial[/s], by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be [s]informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense[/s].

[quote author=Barbarino link=board=6;threadid=32431;start=0#msg373966 date=1159377105]
2. Answer me this, can we have immigration reforms without securing the border??
[/quote]

Yes. And any strategy that involves totally fencing off the entire border is impractical and therefore not worth discussing. Even President Bush says, "I don't think anybody believes that you could totally fence off the border and be effective." When Rush Limbaugh talks about building an Israeli-style security perimeter with land mines and electric fences and automatic machine guns, he's playing to the Republican base who are more willing to embrace racism and isolationism than progress.

We did do one thing recently that was just silly. If we don't have a problem with Mexicans coming here, just the fact that they're coming here illegally, then why did we close the loophole that made it illegal to cross over the border but not illegal to cross under the border? See we should have left the loophole because it would have cut down on crime statistics. Election year and all.

[quote author=Barbarino link=board=6;threadid=32431;start=0#msg373966 date=1159377105]
Love love love to hear your answers on these two easy basic questions..
[/quote]

You never even touched either of the questions that I keep repeating:

1) How do we win with no objectives? and

2) Are we fighting for the right thing?

[coach]

Thanks for that research Tech. I tried to pull that up, but am just not that good at it.