Haven't we learned not to arm militant Sunni groups?

[endymion]

The Mujahedeen who Ronald Reagan armed and praised as "freedom fighters" transformed into Al Qaeda and attacked us in 2001.

Throughout the 1980s we armed our guy in Mesopotamia so that he could fight against the Islamist fundamentalists in Iran. We ended up spending five hundred billion dollars to remove him. (Gulf War I: $61.1 billion, Gulf War II: $433 billion)

What will the fallout be, 20 years from now, from arming militant Sunni groups in Iraq today?

[web_norah]

the ghost of Ronald Reagan....

[endymion]

History is repeating itself all over again. Civil war in Gaza. What's the US solution? Pick a side and arm them.

Tel Aviv intelligence sources tell TIME that the U.S. is putting urgent pressure on Israel to open up Gaza's sealed frontiers to allow in shipments of Israeli ammunition and weapons to enable Fatah to turn the tide. As of Monday, the Israeli military was balking at the request, out of concern that new shipments of weapons might eventually be turned against Israel.

"How do we explain it if mortar shells with Israeli markings are then used to shell towns inside Israel?" one officer asked.

[Seb]

where is Dr. Logic to help us understand the "Logic" in this :-X

[drlogic]

One need only to have a brain to find the logic in this.

Generations ago, the enemies were Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Not long ago the major threat was the spread of communism (ie..in Europe, Asia and the Americas). Today it’s terrorism.

Every generation had their band of useful idiots and appeasers and it had their hero’s who actually chose not to stick their heads in the sand and defend liberty. Now our generation is faced w/ the greatest threat to freedom and liberty and yet again we are witnessing both pure cowardice & appeasement while at the same time our own generation of hero’s are emerging. We only need to look in the mirror to find out where we stand in the greatest threat of our time. History will be the judge.

But for craps and giggles, let’s see how the “pseudo-patriots” on these boards feel regarding what Al Gore had to say about Iraq, Terrorists, WMD’s and how they’re all linked together. Can’t for the spin……SPIN, SPIN BABY! LOL You miserable little liberals. Dealing w/ you guys is like dealing w/ children. SERIOUSLY! “I want, I want, I want. That’s not fair! Gimme, gimme, gimme. No daddy, that’s scary..etc…” LOL Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids!

[Apotheosis]

excellent point!

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[endymion]

I didn't see an explanation of any kind in Logic's post explaining how it makes sense to arm a NEW pack of Sunni militants? If this is true:

Generations ago, the enemies were Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Not long ago the major threat was the spread of communism (ie..in Europe, Asia and the Americas). Today it’s terrorism.

...then how does it make sense to infuse a bunch of militants with American firepower? Isn't that counter-productive? Arming militants led directly to both 9/11 and the quagmire in Iraq, so if the big fight of our generation is terrorism then how does it make sense to do it again today with yet another militant Sunni group?

[drlogic]

Amazing! Either you went to a shitty schools or you’re so blinded by hate for Bush you refuse to see history in the proper perspective.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend! I forgot who said that, but it applies here. To be quite honest, it’s pathetic that I even have to spell this out. When we were fighting the spread of communism, we armed those who would fight the communist........like UBL in Afghan when he was fighting the Russians (remember, it was the U.S.S.R. back then and they were the communists (ie..THE BAD GUYS…still w/ me here baby einsteins?).

Anyone actually interested in a solution which does not include the demise of America could better serve the argument by focusing on the threat and trying to come up w/ a solution. Bitching like a teenage drama queen accomplishes nothing except maybe making weak people hiding behind catchy screen names feel temporarily powerful and relevant.

[Seb]

Originally Posted by DrLogic

One need only to have a brain to find the logic in this.

Generations ago, the enemies were Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Not long ago the major threat was the spread of communism (ie..in Europe, Asia and the Americas). Today it’s terrorism.

Every generation had their band of useful idiots and appeasers and it had their hero’s who actually chose not to stick their heads in the sand and defend liberty. Now our generation is faced w/ the greatest threat to freedom and liberty and yet again we are witnessing both pure cowardice & appeasement while at the same time our own generation of hero’s are emerging. We only need to look in the mirror to find out where we stand in the greatest threat of our time. History will be the judge.

But for craps and giggles, let’s see how the “pseudo-patriots” on these boards feel regarding what Al Gore had to say about Iraq, Terrorists, WMD’s and how they’re all linked together. Can’t for the spin……SPIN, SPIN BABY! LOL You miserable little liberals. Dealing w/ you guys is like dealing w/ children. SERIOUSLY! “I want, I want, I want. That’s not fair! Gimme, gimme, gimme. No daddy, that’s scary..etc…” LOL Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids!

such a noble freedom fighter you are : it's a good thing we have proud and smug Americans like yourself to tell us how it is. By the way, love the way you spun your post into a completely different direction instead of addressing the topic at hand, where did you explain any "Logic" in what Tech had originally posted? com'n this is a no spin zone :P

[endymion]

Originally Posted by DrLogic

When we were fighting the spread of communism, we armed those who would fight the communist........like UBL in Afghan when he was fighting the Russians (remember, it was the U.S.S.R. back then and they were the communists (ie..THE BAD GUYS…still w/ me here baby einsteins?).

Yes, and those Sunni militants who we armed attacked us on 9/11. That's kind of my point here.

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Anyone actually interested in a solution which does not include the demise of America could better serve the argument by focusing on the threat and trying to come up w/ a solution.
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You're using very circular logic, Dr Logic. We're threatened by militants who we armed, therefore we should arm more militants. I really don't follow.

We armed the Mujahedeen, that led directly to 9/11 and cost us 2,974 American lives.

We armed Saddam Hussein, that led directly to the Iraq war and cost us over 3500 American lives.

This strategy of picking a militant group and arming them is leading directly to the loss of thousands of American lives. If you're so concerned about terrorists who want to attack us then why are you in favor of selling them weapons?