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pod · 09-20-2007, 01:04 AM

Click...

Interesting.

Discuss!

Fuerte44 · 09-20-2007, 01:12 AM

i heard an interview of the woman regarding this...she said her doctors referred her to go to the US...

i dont blame her for following the med advice but it doesnt look good...

its a give and take as with everything regarding universal health care...

crimes are committed everyday in our health care system , but i am sure that with an alternative system, just as many people would be abused or at the very least be unhappy with something new...

there is no way in hell a universal health care program would ever pass legislation though...ins co's and healthcare providers are way too established and relied upon to be changed...

even if they are completely fucked up and unfair to some

michael^heaven · 09-20-2007, 01:12 AM

Belinda had one of her later-stage operations in California, after referral from her personal physicians in Toronto.

Speed was not the reason why she went to California.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

While it is rare for MPs to seek treatment outside Canada, MacEachern said Stronach was not lacking confidence in the system.

In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians.

I know where you're going with this but it's not rare that people travel to obtain the best possible medical treatment. Even if they have to pay extra for it.

pod · 09-20-2007, 01:18 AM

Well, at the end of the day, we've got the combination of the best doctors and the best facilities in the world for health care. The tricky part is for your average Joe to get access to it.

Canada has similar docs and facilities, but from what I've been reading, sometimes it takes quite awhile to get into those facilities. This lady may have died if she went through the system her own government set up.

I've heard of this before on many levels. Those who can afford it all come here for the best care.

Fuerte44 · 09-20-2007, 01:33 AM

the odds of the healthcare debate being resolved in my generation is unlikely...

i have my opinions on it and all, but when it comes to health care, most people need to think and decide as if they were worse off than they already are....step into the shoes of the less fortunate more or less....

most people have no realization of what its like to get health care without coverage...

i couldnt imagine going to the doc and having to deal with anything more involving than paying a 10 dollar co-pay...

imagine seeing a physician, hoping he chooses to run the least number of tests to figure out whats wrong with you because u cant afford the $6K MRI....

i know for a fact my opinion on this whole debate would be different and whole lot more emotional if i was not covered...

i have yet to hear how we can actually implement these universal plans, when it is so hard to even get basic info from these PPOs over the phone...they send you online every time...i dont see how the government can do a better job (or worse job depending how one sees it)

pod · 09-20-2007, 01:42 AM

I always start online, I have yet to actually call and interact with my healthcare provider.

Sad to say, if you've got health insurance in this country, you're in a certain income bracket where you most likely can get online and figure it out yourself. On a practical level I'm all for that since I hate waiting on hold and talking to people on the phone. I'm anti-social unless I'm drinking.

An idea being kicked around is a "two-tier" system. They say Canada has it already, in the sense that people not wanting to wait for treatment "skip the line" by coming down here. It wouldn't work though since the free care would undoubtedly be of lower quality. It's like having a public defender versus a paid lawyer. You might get lucky and get the one PD who's in it for the pursuit of justice, but chances are you'll get the guy or girl who's fresh out of law school and trying to work his or her way into private practice.

Fuerte44 · 09-20-2007, 01:49 AM

thank god i got my comcast operating again, because trying to find a doctor over the phone with these people is impossible as you would assume pod...

it just made me think about those people without access to internet...not too sure how common that is for low income citizens...but even more common to find would be the elderly who are internet illiterate... i cant imagine their "wait" times over the phone to BC/BS or Aetna....

Just imagine the impossibility of designing a national network and database, so that under a universal system we can get care anywhere we want with informed staff regarding our past medical history...we cant even document most citizens that this system would benefit and be directed to...

michael^heaven · 09-20-2007, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pod

It's like having a public defender versus a paid lawyer. You might get lucky and get the one PD who's in it for the pursuit of justice, but chances are you'll get the guy or girl who's fresh out of law school and trying to work his or her way into private practice.

I would never want the person defending me & the person prosecuting me getting their paycheck from the same organization.

pod · 09-20-2007, 01:59 AM

This is true. It's the luck of the draw.

On the medical side, it tends to be that way too, in a socialized system. You might get the young idealist, the guy hoping to save enough cash to move to the US and work for a big hospital, or the "trainee".

The issue we have here is that the US has ten times the population of Canada. Oddly enough, we're the third most populous country in the world, after China and India. The gap is huge though.

Tech has a good point. We could get socialized healthcare tomorrow, but it would take ages to sort as 300 million people would need some form of tracking to use the system.

"Medical tourism" is becoming big business though. Rich people from other countries come here, and poor people in the US go elsewhere to find US-trained docs who work cheap for common procedures.

http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/yourhea...treatment.html

As an aside, here in Miami, I've lost track of how many girls I know go to Colombia for plastic surgery. Your average boob job here (done well) runs six to ten grand. A girl can get a decent rack installed down there for under two, and get the maintenance done here, which isn't that expensive. Plastic surgery is all the rage down there now.

Of course there's the horror stories of deaths and whatnot.

michael^heaven · 09-20-2007, 02:07 AM

Yeh, I was watching an episode of Dr. 90210 the other day when he went to South America to study their techniques. Argentina I think. Plastic surgery is booming there right now too!

Too bad we can't take the Mexican route. Hop the border, get healthcare & go back without paying a cent.

09-20-2007, 01:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
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09-20-2007, 01:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fuerte44 FunkyJunkie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 319	Re:Member of Canadian Parliament goes to US for medical treatment. i heard an interview of the woman regarding this...she said her doctors referred her to go to the US... i dont blame her for following the med advice but it doesnt look good... its a give and take as with everything regarding universal health care... crimes are committed everyday in our health care system , but i am sure that with an alternative system, just as many people would be abused or at the very least be unhappy with something new... there is no way in hell a universal health care program would ever pass legislation though...ins co's and healthcare providers are way too established and relied upon to be changed... even if they are completely fucked up and unfair to some

09-20-2007, 01:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
michael^heaven CoolJunkie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,196	Re: Belinda had one of her later-stage operations in California, after referral from her personal physicians in Toronto. Speed was not the reason why she went to California. Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required. While it is rare for MPs to seek treatment outside Canada, MacEachern said Stronach was not lacking confidence in the system. In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. I know where you're going with this but it's not rare that people travel to obtain the best possible medical treatment. Even if they have to pay extra for it. __________________ If you see someone without a smile, give them yours!

09-20-2007, 01:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
pod Non Sufficit Orbis Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 26,147	Re:Member of Canadian Parliament goes to US for medical treatment. Well, at the end of the day, we've got the combination of the best doctors and the best facilities in the world for health care. The tricky part is for your average Joe to get access to it. Canada has similar docs and facilities, but from what I've been reading, sometimes it takes quite awhile to get into those facilities. This lady may have died if she went through the system her own government set up. I've heard of this before on many levels. Those who can afford it all come here for the best care. __________________ cold beer and dirty girls

09-20-2007, 01:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
Fuerte44 FunkyJunkie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 319	Re:Member of Canadian Parliament goes to US for medical treatment. the odds of the healthcare debate being resolved in my generation is unlikely... i have my opinions on it and all, but when it comes to health care, most people need to think and decide as if they were worse off than they already are....step into the shoes of the less fortunate more or less.... most people have no realization of what its like to get health care without coverage... i couldnt imagine going to the doc and having to deal with anything more involving than paying a 10 dollar co-pay... imagine seeing a physician, hoping he chooses to run the least number of tests to figure out whats wrong with you because u cant afford the $6K MRI.... i know for a fact my opinion on this whole debate would be different and whole lot more emotional if i was not covered... i have yet to hear how we can actually implement these universal plans, when it is so hard to even get basic info from these PPOs over the phone...they send you online every time...i dont see how the government can do a better job (or worse job depending how one sees it)

09-20-2007, 01:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
pod Non Sufficit Orbis Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 26,147	Re:Member of Canadian Parliament goes to US for medical treatment. I always start online, I have yet to actually call and interact with my healthcare provider. Sad to say, if you've got health insurance in this country, you're in a certain income bracket where you most likely can get online and figure it out yourself. On a practical level I'm all for that since I hate waiting on hold and talking to people on the phone. I'm anti-social unless I'm drinking. An idea being kicked around is a "two-tier" system. They say Canada has it already, in the sense that people not wanting to wait for treatment "skip the line" by coming down here. It wouldn't work though since the free care would undoubtedly be of lower quality. It's like having a public defender versus a paid lawyer. You might get lucky and get the one PD who's in it for the pursuit of justice, but chances are you'll get the guy or girl who's fresh out of law school and trying to work his or her way into private practice. __________________ cold beer and dirty girls

09-20-2007, 01:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Fuerte44 FunkyJunkie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 319	Re:Member of Canadian Parliament goes to US for medical treatment. thank god i got my comcast operating again, because trying to find a doctor over the phone with these people is impossible as you would assume pod... it just made me think about those people without access to internet...not too sure how common that is for low income citizens...but even more common to find would be the elderly who are internet illiterate... i cant imagine their "wait" times over the phone to BC/BS or Aetna.... Just imagine the impossibility of designing a national network and database, so that under a universal system we can get care anywhere we want with informed staff regarding our past medical history...we cant even document most citizens that this system would benefit and be directed to...

09-20-2007, 01:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
pod Non Sufficit Orbis Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 26,147	Re:Member of Canadian Parliament goes to US for medical treatment. This is true. It's the luck of the draw. On the medical side, it tends to be that way too, in a socialized system. You might get the young idealist, the guy hoping to save enough cash to move to the US and work for a big hospital, or the "trainee". The issue we have here is that the US has ten times the population of Canada. Oddly enough, we're the third most populous country in the world, after China and India. The gap is huge though. Tech has a good point. We could get socialized healthcare tomorrow, but it would take ages to sort as 300 million people would need some form of tracking to use the system. "Medical tourism" is becoming big business though. Rich people from other countries come here, and poor people in the US go elsewhere to find US-trained docs who work cheap for common procedures. http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/yourhea...treatment.html As an aside, here in Miami, I've lost track of how many girls I know go to Colombia for plastic surgery. Your average boob job here (done well) runs six to ten grand. A girl can get a decent rack installed down there for under two, and get the maintenance done here, which isn't that expensive. Plastic surgery is all the rage down there now. Of course there's the horror stories of deaths and whatnot. __________________ cold beer and dirty girls

09-20-2007, 02:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
michael^heaven CoolJunkie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,196	Re: Yeh, I was watching an episode of Dr. 90210 the other day when he went to South America to study their techniques. Argentina I think. Plastic surgery is booming there right now too! Too bad we can't take the Mexican route. Hop the border, get healthcare & go back without paying a cent. __________________ If you see someone without a smile, give them yours!

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