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myles hie · #21 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Apotheosis

everyone is in control of their own destiny.

true and false.

In the music business, no. You destiny is also in the hands of alot of people who come together to make a product successful.

You could be the most talented MF'er out there, but if you can't or don't have the means to get out of your garage then....? Is that truly your destiny?

Buck White · #22 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Apotheosis

everyone is in control of their own destiny.

You bought that lie ?

myles hie · #23 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 12:18 PM

The internet has indeed become the great leveler in terms of "being your own boss" or doing things in a non traditional way whether it be on a consumer level or an artist level, but will it in the end be the best thing for the music biz? Probably not.

Apotheosis · #24 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck White

You bought that lie ?

lie? what lie? your defeatist attitude will get you very far in life!

i, on the other hand, will do very well, i'm quite sure. because i will never rely on any entities to dictate where i end up. yes, i am in control of my own destiny. this isn't something someone told me, it is something that i decided on my own.

enjoy your pity party!

Buck White · #25 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Apotheosis

lie? what lie? your defeatist attitude will get you very far in life!

i, on the other hand, will do very well, i'm quite sure. because i will never rely on any entities to dictate where i end up. yes, i am in control of my own destiny. this isn't something someone told me, it is something that i decided on my own.

enjoy your pity party!

I was only joking, guy. Thanks for the five line swan song, though.

Apotheosis · #26 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck White

I was only joking, guy. Thanks for the five line swan song, though.

i know i know

myles hie · #27 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Apotheosis

lie? what lie? your defeatist attitude will get you very far in life!

i, on the other hand, will do very well, i'm quite sure. because i will never rely on any entities to dictate where i end up. yes, i am in control of my own destiny. this isn't something someone told me, it is something that i decided on my own.

enjoy your pity party!

isn't the definition of destiny something thats pre determined? You can think you are in control, but if things are pre-determined you are really not in control, right?

coach · #28 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 02:05 PM

Okay, having a great musical sound gets you exactly nowhere unless people know about you. I have heard some AWESOME local bands in Dallas, in Miami, and in other cities that I've visited around the country. And then I never heard of them again. Why? Because they did not have the marketing and business clout to get their name out.

There are TWO aspects to becoming a hugely successful band. First is the music. Second is the marketing. Both are full-time jobs. So, let me ask you this, would you rather have your favorite band spending all their time marketing themselves or all their time making good music?

You think NIN and RH are doing their thing without a label now? Bullshit! They have become their own independent labels. You think the drummer is now spending several hours a day updating their website? Their lead singer is haggling with the manufacturer about CD replication prices? Bullshit. They hired people to do that. Those people perform the exact same duties that a record label does. Therefore, why not call them a record label? They may be a record label of one artist, but they are still a record label.

And they have the money to hire those people in part because some big-name record label took a chance on them and plunked down a big chunk of change to do all of those services when they were first starting out and did not have the cash to do so.

So, let's leave aside these mega-rich guys and look at the new bands. The ones who cannot afford to hire their own platoon of lackeys to perform all the back-end work. Vinnie, you ask why NIN or RH should subsidize the record label's risks on new bands? Well, the reason is because the big-name bands when *they* were starting out subsidized the record labels taking a chance on Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead. It all works out that way.

However, just despite the Karmic reasoning, the problem with doing away with the version of multi-artist record labels that exist today and moving towards a single-band label like these guys are doing is that it puts a much higher barrier to new bands. In the current/old format, all you had to do is convince some fat suit in the label office that you were good, and he would plunk down a quarter mill to help you get started. But with no record labels, YOU have to come up with that quarter mill or its sweat-equity equivalent, to get up and running.