crazy times

[klit]

I've been in Haiti past couple of days so hadnt checked the board in a bit, but the changes look good. Don't get how come no other threads yet on the events that have been taking place lately though.

I don't know about you guys, but for the first time in my life I would buy into the whole terror threat. Not to say I didn't believe there was a threat before but I don't think it was ever bad as its gotta be now. Now more then ever you have the islam people united and calling for jihad. Al queta, the hamas group, and all the other muslim fundamentalists groups are outraged by the murder that took place yesterday and now I think will be working together more then ever in this holy war they have. Lets just hope I'm wrong and things don't take a turn for the worse, but what do you guys think of the recent events taking place in the middle east as of late.

What was israel wondering yesterday when they decided to do this? :

[endymion]

Nick and I have also been just shocked at the stupidity of that assasination. Israel killed a bunch of Israelis yesterday, it just hasn't happened yet.

[Apotheosis]

on another forum i use, there's an israeli guy our age that was cheering the assassination. i can't understand it, man. it's never going to end.

[endymion]

This all apparently makes perfect sense to people who have world views that are entirely based on mythology about burning bushes and hot virgins waiting to suck you off in Heaven after you kill a bunch of infidels.

[Apotheosis]

Originally Posted by techjunkie

This all apparently makes perfect sense to people who have world views that are entirely based on mythology about burning bushes and hot virgins waiting to suck you off in Heaven after you kill a bunch of infidels.

Mythology is the PERFECT word.

[endymion]

I don't mean to be offensive to people with religious convictions. It's just... I mean... COME ON PEOPLE!!

Teaching your kids that babies come from storks and that all life squeezed through Noah's ark when they are little and in the mood for purple dinosaurs and things like that is fine. Teaching them that the way to get into Heaven is by killing people who believe in different purple dinosaurs than you do is immoral. Religions that encourage this sort of behavior need to modernize. Urgently.

[JMT]

well Hamas is the reason for all the suicide bombers and the terrorism there, the Israelis believe. so this was a victory for them. the Palestinians will probably bomb 100s of women and children in retaliation, then Israel will kill some more militant leaders. but the reoccurring theme is that (and this is why i cant seem to feel any pity for the Palestinian side) bombing crowded teenage clubs or busy marketplaces is constructive to their cause. at least the Israelis actually have rational strategy.

[endymion]

Originally Posted by JMT

...bombing crowded teenage clubs or busy marketplaces is constructive to their cause. at least the Israelis actually have rational strategy.

To play devil's advocate here, the Israelis are not much pickier about exactly who they kill during their tactical operations. Neither is the US. Maybe everybody should just take some time out from killing each other for a bit to see if there are other ways?

Sorry to sound like a Frenchie, but the killing thing obviously isn't working. Intelligent people would realize this and work to find new solutions.

[klit]

Well tj agree with you on this one, what sharon did was kill a bunch of israelis. more importantly though it united so many muslims together to declare jihad and that is what I think is the most frightening about this. I think its very important for the us to issue a statement as soon as it can saying that they condemn the action taken by israel. I fear that if they don't do this what israel did yesterday was not just kill tons of israelis but tons of americans as well. From what I've been told the burning of american and israel flags already started at the protests today. I don't know I just think that right now is a dangerous time for the opponents of the radical muslim people. I would not want to be in israel or pakistan right now.

One more thing though tj, I don't think that whole virgin thing u stated is correct though. These people are not willing to die because of the virgins and that whole story, it is because they are truly a people at war and ready to die for what they believe in. The whole reward thing at the moment of their death is more of a way to not make them feel as bad for killing people I think.

[endymion]

Originally Posted by klit

I fear that if they don't do this what israel did yesterday was not just kill tons of israelis but tons of americans as well.

That doesn't matter. To a radical Islamist militant the associations are already there between the US and Israel. We are one and the same and any statement won't matter. To them we are all just as equivalent as Afghan goat herders and Iraqi Sunnis are to American bigots.

Klit, they attack us because to them we are "infidels". It's all about religion. We can theorize that the underlying reasons are really classism or racism or sexual frustration, but the rallying cry is jihad. That jihad concept springs out of a bunch of old writings that were very relevant when the Arabs were fighting for their own survival in the time of Mohammed, but those writings are now what we would classify as mythology. People in the year 2004 base their entire world views on ancient mythology, that's the root of the problem.