66 Miami the truth about whats going on....Lets get it right People!!!

[66Miami]

OK People

It time to get it right. Now let me start by saying that the venue has never said to anyone that we have a 23 hour liqour license. The law is the law and if you reference it below you will see that we cannot sell liqour between the times of 5:00 am to 7:00 am. So, it is obvious that we cannot sell liqour between those times. During those two hours there will be enough staff and security that ensure that the laws are adhered to.

In respect to the whole incident with Sasha, have you guys ever thought that it may be the promoter who put the flyer out there and was the one responsible for booking Sasha, and never did so, of course not, you guys look at the venue to be at fault, it was never the venue's mistake, you never look at the promoter, and the promoter was the one responsible for the flyer and for the booking of the artist for that event, it was never the responsiblity of the venue. The promoter knows this because they did not even show up that day because in shame they knew they did not book Sasha.

Once again let us look at the excerpt from the code below:


Sec. 4-3. Hours during which sales allowed; Sunday sales.
(a) No distributor or vendor of intoxicating and/or alcoholic beverages or any employee thereof, on the licensed premises, shall sell, serve, offer to sell, allow to be consumed or deliver any alcoholic beverages to any person, except during the following hours:


(6) The hours of sale for alcoholic beverages by the following establishments are weekdays, including Saturday, from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. on the following day; Sunday, from 12:00 noon to 5:00 a.m. on the following day:
a. Nightclubs;
b. Supper clubs;
c. Hotels, motels and apartments with 100 or more guestrooms;
d. Any of the establishments (above) in a retail or waterfront specialty center.

It is specifically provided, however, that each and every night club that may operate in the unincorporated areas of Miami-Dade County in accordance with this section shall close its doors and have all its patrons off its premises by not later than 5:00 a.m. of each day.

Now as you guys should know 66 is loacted in the City of Miami, we do reside in Miami Dade, but not an unincorporated part of Miami Dade and that is why the section above which is underlined that says unincorporated, does not reference us. WE ARE IN A INCORPORATED PART OF DADE. That is why we have the cop cars with blue and white that says City of Miami and not cop cars that are have white green and brown that say Miami Dade County. The City of Miami is like any other city in Miami Dade, like the City of Miami Shores, The City of Aventura, you know cities, not unincorporated parts of Miami Dade. Therefore as you can see the reference to the underlined section above in no way, matter or form deals with us. We are in an incorporated part of Miami Dade. The City of Miami. The unincorporated sections of Miami Dade have to follow the paragraph with the underlined section above.

We need promoters, venues, barbacks, bartenders, artists and staff to make a successful party and all need to work together in conjunction to make events work. The promoters alongside the venue are trying to put together an awesome event (Rapture), in the constraints of the law, but at the same time everyone is going against this.

Rapture will be having an open discussion in reference to the earth and also in reference to peace and human rights. I think all of you guys in the other posts need to attend this. We all need to work together in peace and harmony. Why do people always try to go after each other?

I am sure I will see everyone at Rapture although they are trying to reck havoc. Rapture will go on and i will be happy to welcome you all to our club when you come by.

I give my props to the people in the industry and alot of you guys have done your due for the industry but don't fight against someone and other people who are also trying to do good things for everyone involved.

Thanks for your Time

The Venue
66 Miami

[pod]

Listen, son.

Your venue and people have had repeated incidents over the past four or five years in regards to events, licensing, and all sorts of shady stuff. The building has changed names more often than I can remember.

You wonder why you're attacked often on this forum, well, just look back and you'll see why. Plenty of venues' representatives come on here, and they engage in positive discourse and are generally left alone. Doesn't matter if they're throwing dance events, hip-hop parties, or rock concerts, they conduct themselves in a professional manner both on and offline and are treated accordingly. You could be the nicest guy in the world on here, but if you're venue is up to no good, this crowd will attack. I've seen plenty of "nice guys" work for shady places, and it always happens.

In my mind, running "afterhours" sans alcohol, well, you're asking for a whole host of problems. I don't think I need to clarify.

[V. Barbarino]

unincorporated areas of Miami-Dade County = all of Miami Dade county regardless of your "city"

It's a blanket statement by the County that makes it illegal to stay open past 5am unless you are in park west.

I have no idea where you get your info from but fire your attorney.

Karu and Y and Pawn Shop both conceded and changed their parties, so under your assertion they were wrong? Why did Karu go to the city to get the resolution? Why is PS now closing at 5am?

Ok, so for the "City of Miami", here is the code:

(4) Hours of operation. The hours of operation for the sale of liquor shall be restricted for each Entertainment District as follows:
a. Brickell Village district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.
b. Brickell Riverside district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.
c. Park West district shall have no restrictions on hours of operation.
d. Media Entertainment district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.
e. Overtown district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.

[JustDade]

First of all, you are wrong in your interpretation of the laws regarding closing time. It is absolutely unlawful for you to remain open between 5 am and 7 am regardless of whether or not you're selling alcohol. Anyone who advises you differently is just plain wrong as well. The reason that the hours during which alcohol can be sold appear in the section of the code entitled "Hours Of Operation" is that those hours also dictate the times you are allowed to operate.

Also, there is the issue that you are not licensed to "sell, offer for sale, ALLOW TO BE CONSUMED, or serve" alcohol during the time between 5 and 7 am. I notice you left that out. The reason that they do not allow you to remain open and occupied during those hours is simple common sense. It has to do with getting the drinking to stop by 5 am. That can only be done by tying operating hours to sales hours......and that, my friend is the law.

The promoter of this event promised written proof of your ability to stay open past 5 am and has produced nothing because nothing exists that would do the job. Furthermore, he told a story about the venue claiming to be in a special district. We both know that you are not in a district that would allow you to stay open.

Either you are intentionally trying to mislead the public or are simply unaware of the laws that govern your business. Is there another option?

By the way.....I had occassion to contact Sean Ford of ONS management today about another matter. The subject of the Sasha promotion came up and he addressed it in an e-mail he sent me. Below are his comments copied directly from the e-mail I received today:

"I know you have your negative opinions of ONS and myself for the previous actions of someone at 66 completely unrelated to ONS or myself (whose identity I never did discover by the way, because whoever it was wouldn’t own up to posting the false information), and that is your prerogative, but please realize that..."

So it seems that there is a difference of opinions about who was responsible for the Sasha debacle. All I know is that it was a representative of your venue who was posting on the message board and representing, against all indications to the contrary, that Sasha would be performing.

It seems to me that it's the policy of Bricks/66 to blame the promoter whenever anything goes wrong. It also seems to be the policy of Bricks to spread disinformation whenever possible.

The only way to end this once and for all is to contact Code Enforcement and have them deal with it. I suggest that everyone who is concerned do so.

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It's funny, I see things like this, and people wonder why the same three or four people/organizations have been able to succeed in this area's nightlife, well, with every other Tom, Dick, and Harry conducting business like this, is it any wonder?

There's no conspiracy, it's just very few people have the good business sense to maintain and run a nightclub.

Hell, I've actually been researching the ins and outs of running a successful venue for awhile now, and all the time, there's something new that I didn't realize about running a place.

[V. Barbarino]

We've reached a new low, cop car colors.

[JustDade]

Wow....now that you brought up the color of the police cars I guess we don't need to see actual law or anything. Are you kidding? That's the best you could come up with?

By the way.....you claim that:

"the venue has never said to anyone that we have a 23 hour liqour license" and "In respect to the whole incident with Sasha, have you guys ever thought that it may be the promoter who put the flyer out there and was the one responsible for booking Sasha, and never did so, of course not, you guys look at the venue to be at fault, it was never the venue's mistake, you never look at the promoter, and the promoter was the one responsible for the flyer and for the booking of the artist for that event, it was never the responsiblity of the venue. The promoter knows this because they did not even show up that day because in shame they knew they did not book Sasha."

Let's get something straight. THE VENUE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL PROMOTIONS THAT ARE TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE VENUE. Part of your job, in case you did not know, is to make sure that your promoters are doing the right thing. If you really think that your legal liability ends by saying "it was the promoter" you are sadly mistaken.

FYI - the promoters for this event have posted flyers on their own website as well as others as recently as 1 December which indicate that the venue has a 23 hour license and that full liquor service will be available throughout the event. So the misleading promotions continue....but I guess that's not your problem.

There's a reason that the place has been a failure. There's a reason that you have to resort to these measures. The reason is that you have no business operating a hot-dog stand much less a nightclub. You people give legit operators a bad name.

[DB-CMG]

this is gettin better by the second...

we had the missin promoter, N of X, and now management of the club...

great board stuff

[djjoncowan]

Originally Posted by 66Miami

OK People

It time to get it right. Now let me start by saying that the venue has never said to anyone that we have a 23 hour liqour license. The law is the law and if you reference it below you will see that we cannot sell liqour between the times of 5:00 am to 7:00 am. So, it is obvious that we cannot sell liqour between those times. During those two hours there will be enough staff and security that ensure that the laws are adhered to.

In respect to the whole incident with Sasha, have you guys ever thought that it may be the promoter who put the flyer out there and was the one responsible for booking Sasha, and never did so, of course not, you guys look at the venue to be at fault, it was never the venue's mistake, you never look at the promoter, and the promoter was the one responsible for the flyer and for the booking of the artist for that event, it was never the responsiblity of the venue. The promoter knows this because they did not even show up that day because in shame they knew they did not book Sasha.

Once again let us look at the excerpt from the code below:


Sec. 4-3. Hours during which sales allowed; Sunday sales.
(a) No distributor or vendor of intoxicating and/or alcoholic beverages or any employee thereof, on the licensed premises, shall sell, serve, offer to sell, allow to be consumed or deliver any alcoholic beverages to any person, except during the following hours:


(6) The hours of sale for alcoholic beverages by the following establishments are weekdays, including Saturday, from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. on the following day; Sunday, from 12:00 noon to 5:00 a.m. on the following day:
a. Nightclubs;
b. Supper clubs;
c. Hotels, motels and apartments with 100 or more guestrooms;
d. Any of the establishments (above) in a retail or waterfront specialty center.

It is specifically provided, however, that each and every night club that may operate in the unincorporated areas of Miami-Dade County in accordance with this section shall close its doors and have all its patrons off its premises by not later than 5:00 a.m. of each day.

Now as you guys should know 66 is loacted in the City of Miami, we do reside in Miami Dade, but not an unincorporated part of Miami Dade and that is why the section above which is underlined that says unincorporated, does not reference us. WE ARE IN A INCORPORATED PART OF DADE. That is why we have the cop cars with blue and white that says City of Miami and not cop cars that are have white green and brown that say Miami Dade County. The City of Miami is like any other city in Miami Dade, like the City of Miami Shores, The City of Aventura, you know cities, not unincorporated parts of Miami Dade. Therefore as you can see the reference to the underlined section above in no way, matter or form deals with us. We are in an incorporated part of Miami Dade. The City of Miami. The unincorporated sections of Miami Dade have to follow the paragraph with the underlined section above.

We need promoters, venues, barbacks, bartenders, artists and staff to make a successful party and all need to work together in conjunction to make events work. The promoters alongside the venue are trying to put together an awesome event (Rapture), in the constraints of the law, but at the same time everyone is going against this.

Rapture will be having an open discussion in reference to the earth and also in reference to peace and human rights. I think all of you guys in the other posts need to attend this. We all need to work together in peace and harmony. Why do people always try to go after each other?

I am sure I will see everyone at Rapture although they are trying to reck havoc. Rapture will go on and i will be happy to welcome you all to our club when you come by.

I give my props to the people in the industry and alot of you guys have done your due for the industry but don't fight against someone and other people who are also trying to do good things for everyone involved.

Thanks for your Time

The Venue
66 Miami

whats your answer to the oliver moldan booking a few weeks back?? he is one of the biggest artists in germany and was booked to play your venue... there were then 4 different flyers including meta who can back me up on this. when his booking agent called we spoke to someone claiming to be the manager who said 60% was paid upfront - LIE - he then said he would get back to us but that oliver was the headliner and he would make it right and call back directly - can anyone guess what happened? NOTHING - they screwed him - can you explain that mr 66?? if anyone would like direct clarification I am sure oliver would be happy to tell you all. - he is resident and musical director at one of the largest venues in germany, tribehouse and has made it his mission too insure to reputable artists or events play 66 - email oli for his comments - oliver@olivermoldan.de

shady shady shady - falls right in line with your whole sasha episode - anyways - good luck with rapture and the candy ravers... LOL

[swank]

Originally Posted by V. Barbarino

unincorporated areas of Miami-Dade County = all of Miami Dade county regardless of your "city"

It's a blanket statement by the County that makes it illegal to stay open past 5am unless you are in park west.

I have no idea where you get your info from but fire your attorney.

Karu and Y and Pawn Shop both conceded and changed their parties, so under your assertion they were wrong? Why did Karu go to the city to get the resolution? Why is PS now closing at 5am?

Ok, so for the "City of Miami", here is the code:

(4) Hours of operation. The hours of operation for the sale of liquor shall be restricted for each Entertainment District as follows:
a. Brickell Village district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.
b. Brickell Riverside district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.
c. Park West district shall have no restrictions on hours of operation.
d. Media Entertainment district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.
e. Overtown district: liquor sales shall cease at 5:00 a.m.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concede

Just because they are ignoring you doesn't mean you are right. Please remember that KARU&Y is owned by a decorated business family who own a lot more than most of the clubowners advertising on this board. They would never intentionally try to break the law....they don't need to....do you understand that?

If my mechanic tells me that my car needs 'discocombobilated-relayedfushionconductor rayon switch' or it won't run....I have to take his word for it because he is the mechanic....the other alternative is to do my own research....but why would I? I've been doing business with this mechanic for years and he never gave me bum advice before....besides, he's written articles about the 'discocombobilated-relayedfushionconductor rayon switch'.

Now if the advice was wrong...I would fix my problem...not 'concede'

choose your words...slander is a bitch.